I just checked in on this thread and found all these responses! John, I will definately email you about those gravers. I am just starting out and need just about anything, thank you! I think there is one H&C engraver that works the gun shows, but other than that, I haven't seen any others. I think we all know why there is a scarcity of firearms engravers in San Diego- not a lot of high end firearms ownership here-the rich are too liberal.